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warrants. all the time we have let tonight. greta van susteren live on the record. greta. take it away. tonight, what in the world is going on here in washington? >> the hits keep on coming, the revelations keep on coming. >> i think we should be afraid of what the government is doing in our name behind closed doors. what the government is doing in our name under the guise of keeping us safe. >> if people can't trust not only the executive branch, but also don't trust congress and don't trust federal judges to make sure we're abiding by the constitution, due process and rule of law, then we're going to have some problems. >> there is a role for congress here, that we need to have these checks and balances, protect our civil liberties, our nation from terrorist attacks, but there is a fine line here that we need to have greater accountability and
greater transparency. >> do we really want to trust government? >> we have a government that appears to target people based on political beliefs. i don't want my phone records given to an administration that i don't trust. >> i certainly have the authority from my desk to wiretap anyone to you, your accountant, a federal judge, even the president. >> attorney general, would you go after him? >> in a new york minute. >> why? >> he's broken the law, broken faft with countrymen, broken faith with the political system. >> even if you do nothing wrong, are you watched and reported. >> the latest scandals, irs targeting conservatives, the ap being targeted by the justice department and the fox news reporters, it really makes you wonder -- you have to ask yourself this question. can you trust this administration with your phone records? >> you can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agency and
be completely free from risk, because there are such powerful adversa adversaries, no one can meaningfully oppose them. if they want to get you, they will get you in time. >> this is the biggest snooping enterprise against americans ever, that is the takeaway. that is the fundamental point. >> the snooping, the secrets, even alleged coverups. do you trust your government? former congressman alan west joins me, let me ask you that question. do you trust your government? >> i think it's very hard to have trust in the government right now. we haven't even talked about the debt, deficit, all these things going on, but when you look at what has happened in benghazi and some people think it's a joke, it's irrelevant. four americans lost their lives. we don't leave men and women behind on the battlefield. the irs scandal, the fact we have agencies going after individuals because of their political beliefs and they have a first amendment right to
petition their government for grievances, but have you someone like jimcdermont that thinks they don't have that. one minute, you say mr., attorney general, you knew nothing, but then we find you signed the affidavit on that and supposed to believe you are a fairy kwif indicator of the jaw sxlau justice, but then it comes down to this, and it comes back to health and human services, kathleen sebelius, going out, soliciting funds to fund obama care privately. thing after thing after thing. if this nsa surveillance was so important, then i listed some things, how did the tsavraev brothers happen, how did a black young man from memphis, tennessee, travel to somial, yemen, come back, shoot two
soldiers, abdul ma talia, the muslim brotherhood, and i don't see where this nsa surveillance is really keeping us safe. >> what about the contractors? we talk about snowden, the man who admits to being the leak of the nsa administration. he worked for booz allen. and booz allen has fingerprints all over our government. the current head of dni clapper, came from booz allen. and they had a $2 million contract with the government, and it cost the taxpayers $70 million. the defense contractors, all over them, spending a fortune and apparently not much supervise. >> well, one thing i did after retiring work as a defense contractor, and i tell you, we went through a lot of scrutiny, the same as any member of the united states military overseas, we wore the uniform, could not carry weapons, but there are
some people that are infiltrating and getting favortism in a lot of defense contracts. b booz allen hamilton, a huge player. you start to see nepotism out there, cronyism out there, and start to see the arrogance. you can come out and lie to the american people, and you can get a promotion, become a national security adviser, or in the case of victoria nuland, now they are looking at making her assistant secretary of state, or someone like lois lerner who gives her statement, plead the fifth and goes on a taxpayer funded paid vacation. those are the reasons we see a distrust. even more so, you also have a distrust on certain media outlets that are covering the stories and keeping american people in the dark. >> almost a malignancy. we covered a story, 2010
conference on arizona, social security, spending all of our money, and we had the gsa, doing the same thing. apparently hadn't learned from the social security. and now the irs. $4 million at a conference. $50 million over a couple of years and americans at home. $1,0 to most americans is a lot of money. makes a difference whether they get the roof fixed or the kids get uniforms, go to the grocery store and we have lawyers at the s.e.c. who got busted for downloading porn on our dime. every place you look. >> now, the newest scandal that came out where the security detail for the secretary of state, hillary clinton, talking about all of the things they did with certain houses of ill repute across the country and also overseas, so all of these things are adding up. the american people are starting to ask themselves, who is running washington, d.c.? and no one is being held responsible or accountable.
think about the hypocrisy of the uniformed generals getting berated about military sexual assault, but no one is taking responsibility in this administration. >> how do we turn this around? the government so repeat with problems from top to bottom, how do you fix it? >> david axelrod said it simply. how can the president know everything that is going on when the government is so big? we need to get the size and scope of government in a manageable form. the american people have to start paying attention and thinking about who they are sending up to washington, d.c. and stop voting for the american idol type or shiny new thing. we need courage, confidence, character, commitment restored back to this incredible federal government. >> is it going to happen? >> it's up to us. it's up to us in this country. like said, when you look at the things you and i are talking about right now, i wonder if you flip over to some of the other
channels, talking about these things? >> it's even appalling to me that the war on poverty that president johnson talked about in the mid '60s, lost the war on poverty. so many people are so much worse off. >> the thing, you created a new dependency class and that dependency class has become so wedded to a certain political agenda, that they believe that the only way that they can find sustenance is that. unintended consequences. second and third order effects. in the near term everything sounds great. in the outyears, it's terrible. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. government snooping outraging many americans, but others say it's the leak that does the real damage. michael mukasey says the leaks empower the terrorists. nice to see you. >> good to be with you, greta. >> what do you mean by that? >> every time we have one these
leaks, we tell them who we trace, where they are, what we're doing. that enables them to evade the mechanisms put in place and adopt an alternative. one example is the disclosure that we were tracing financial transactions through the swiss system in 2006. needless to say, they immediately shut it all down and rely increasingly on transfers through hand-to-hand cash. isn't that a good thing? if everybody knew about this, isn't this sort of like putting spikes under the terrorists' tire? won't they go back to pony express and it will slow them down tremendously? >> not really, greta. they have access to 21st century techniques. that can avoid other 21st century techniques. they don't have to go back to pony express. just have the jet plane fly a different route.
>> let me ask you, you wrote an op-ed piece and talked about the obama administration, the term used promiscuous treatment of national secrets. why critical of the obama administration? >> what they've done, leak sensitive information when it was politically ahead advantageous to the president. and they come at a very poor position to start complaining about leaks. the time bin laden was killed, a wonderful triumph of american intelligence, then went out and said we had uncovered a trove of intelligence at his hideout and of course, everybody was in touch with bin laden and everybody knew -- everybody who knew what his plans were immediately changed plans and wentund. a lot of the information became useless as a result of president wanting to get up and boast in front of the cameras. just the same way, the discussion of the united states being involved in implanting the virus in the iranian nuclear program, something never should
have been disploclosed and we s reports on conversations in the situation room in the white house coming out. the only way that could have come out is through the white house. >> i'm critical of fisa court. in 2012, according to letter sent to harry reid, senate majority leader, 1,789 applications for electronic surveillance. withdrew one, and 1,788 were granted. every single one the government asked for was granted. looks like a rubber stamp to me. >>ith not. it means two things. number one, national security division always has been, was when i was there, and i'm sure still, very cautious about what they apply for. one thing they have going for them is credibility. and secondly, statistics don't tell you what changes were made in the applications before they were granted. whether the court pushed back as it sometimes does, and ask for
changes in the application. that often happens. >> it -- let me ask you this, in terms of the cautious nature. we see the -- the best of the best, seeking the warrant to grab james rosen's information and that was anything but cautious. i would say it was reckless. >> that was not the national security division, that was the u.s. attorney's office in the district of columbia that submitted an affidavit that should have been bounced with anybody with a law degree and wasn't. >> that's what scares me. the fisa court no, challenge to the government. every time they submit the warrant if they don't like them, they get sent back to please the judge. no sort of checks and balances, why not an ombudsman to speak for the people, say maybe there should be some pullback on the application. >> greta, are you mixing up two things. the rosen affidavit was not submitted to the fisa court.
>> i know that. >> it was submitted to the magistrate judge. >> a magistrate and a federal court judge, i understand that, sir. but these are experienced members of the bench. that wasn't a new magistrate or a new federal judge. >> royce lambert didn't sign up on the affidavit. he would never have signed off on it, even in the middle of the night. signed off by a magistrate judge, who is an on pointed oap official. >> and one respected here. >> he may have been respected before this, but if you read that affidavit, no way that warrant should have been granted. >> but that's my point, no checks and balances for the fisa court and the judges that sit on the fisa court comes off the district court. this is an extra assignment and we have no way to know what they are doing. >> of course we don't know what they are doing. they are involved in intelligence gathering, which is a sensitive process. what you are saying, no room for secrecy in the government. we didn't have any checks and
balances at the time of the manhattan project either. >> i wouldn't mind seeing we had some representative. we don't even have to know, but someone who is not saying yes, sir, yes, sir, to everything the government does. >> you don't know that's what they are doing or what the government is asking. >> when they get 100% of applications, i have to admit they are suspicious. >> you may be suspicious, but they may be doing less than they should going only in for the safe cases. ray kelly says the percentages were too high because they weren't going far enough. >> nice to see you. u.s. a fun debate. the 29-year-old contractor who says is the source of the leaks. fleeing to hong kong. douglas mcnabb joins us. nice to see you. >> good evening. >> this man has admitted to leaking, violation of the law, fled to hong kong, if the united states wants to get him back
from hong kong, what does the united states have to do? >> well, first of all, they have to prosecute him. have to have an arrest warrant so the u.s. government would seek an indictment from a federal grand jury. they would get an arrest warrant. they would ask the court to seal, not make a matter of public record the indictment and arrest warrant, they don't want the government to know they indicted him. the u.s. government will do two things. number one, sewnory either by diplomatic channels or law enforcement, a provisional arrest warrant, a temporary arrest warrant, provided for in the extradition treaty between hong kong and the united states and seeking to have mr. snowden arrested and detained up to 60 days, gift the u.s. government time to fly the full-blown petition for extraextradition, canway waive and return to
trial, or he can fight extradition. that's the first thing the government can do. and the second thing, the government can do g. go to inte request interpol out ofof franc to issue a red snnotice, which goes to 190 countries. >> and he gets nabbed. wean he has left the hotel, nobody knows where he is in hong kong, whether he left hong kong and headed for someplace else. anyway that he can be detained in hong kong, absent an indictment here in the united states? >> he could. what potentially could happen is that hong kong could revoke his visa. i suspect he's there on tourist or business visa. rehe spoke the visa, find that he's in the country illegally
and deport him, formally deport him or as we've seen in some cases, informally deport him by taking him to the airport and u.s. marshal's service waiting to bring him back to the united states if there is an indictment. failing an indictment, they could just deport him after revoking his visa if they wanted to do that. >> and i suspect that the countries are quite cooperative on the extradition. one we have an extradition treaty, that would make it easier to bring him back if he goes to a country where we have a treaty? >> well, of course, we've got this treaty -- we don't have a treaty with china. we do with hong kong, and there are provisions in the treaty that would provide for his return in the u.s. government is able to show he probably committed the time, and, of course, he has admitted to committing the crime if he has committed it, but there are also other requirements of dual credit that the u.s. government would have to establish in that
proceeding. >> thank you for joining us, sir. >> my pleasure. thaw thank you so much. where is edward snowden. he says he wants asylum. is he on his way to island? joining us is an official from island. >> good evening. >> you want to help mr. snowden? >> yes. i want to look into legal implications if he would make it to my country make it possible to offer him similar treatment as bobby fischer, who island made into a citizen after put into prison by the request of the united states government for playing chess in the wrong country. >> why would you want to help him? give him asylum in island? >> well, i think that's the information that he has provided to the public domain is very,
very important for every individual that uses the internet, that uses phones, not only in the united states, but elsewhere in the world. i think it is important that we learn from this information that there is a very profound need for politicians -- no, i think it's very important. >> is that an internal u.s. discussion or a discussion island should be involved with in the united states. >> it's actually a discussion we need to have globally, because information doesn't have borders, nor surveillance anymore. you might not be familiar with my own case with the department of justice. they came into my home, look at all my assets, and saw who i was
with. and the fbi didn't go through my ordinary front door, they went through my back door and now finally, the general public, not only in the united states, but elsewhere, and there has been heavy criticism on this dragnet of surveillance on individuals in yaueurope, people may better understand what this means. >> one quick question. we got hit with terrorism on 9/11, which, of course, your country has been fortunate enough you didn't get hit on 9/11. but i'm curious, when the fbi went into your home, was that in island or in the united states? where did the fbi do that? >> that was in island, but like said, it was through my back door, through the internet. >> thank you very much for joining us, and i hope you will continue to join us as we follow this story. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> okay. wait until you hear who has the top security clearance.
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andrew. >> hey, greta. this flight set to take off out of l.a.x. around 1:30 this afternoon. 45 minute late and while in the air it appears a threat phoned in to authorities in los angeles. specifically targeting this plane. norad had to scramble two f-16 fighters to follow this plane while in the air to watch it monitor it, make sure everything went okay. it land at sky harbor airport. everybody off, got on buses, took to another terminal. they had to remove all bags from the plane, bring bomb sniffing dogs and the bomb squad to go through the bags, make sure this wasn't a legitimate threat. we don't know much about the threat. all the fbi is telling us, it was phoned in to authorities in los angeles. they in turn alerted police here in phoenix. as for the 142 passengers who are on board that plane, they
were supposed to have anonstop flight to austin, texas. they have not left phoenix yet. a significant delay we're told by southwest airlines, they all have to come back to the airport, check back in. 143 passengers, and as far as we know, that plane has not been cleared. the bomb squad and phoenix police are still going over, trying to see if that threat is indeed legitimate. back to you. >> andrew, thank you. of course, we'll bring you more on breaking news as we get it. right now, this is a low-leveling government employee getting top security clearance access. byron york joins us. >> good to be here. >> talking about the programs, the fisa court, run by the executive, approved by the judicial, done in consultation with congress, but apparently executed by private contractors. >> that's right.
this is not a rogue operation, in that it was approved in all branches of government. the amazing thing we've learned, how many people have security clearances, not just in government, but in contracting companies as well. a report put out by the director of national intelligence in 2010, 4.2 million security clearances. 4.2 -- >> government or contractors? >> both. 1.4 million were top secret highest levels. of those, 524,000 were contractors. 524,000 contractors had top secret, highest level security clearance. >> you know, we didn't -- we didn't elect the contractors, didn't vote for the contractors, they aren't employed by -- we aren't directly employed to have government supervision. they are like satellite operation. who supervises them?
>> a lot of people who used to work in government. go back and forth between the government and private contractors. what happened after september 11th, a huge explosion in intelligence gathering. the creation of the department of homeland security and the director of national intelligence. consolidated a lot of different intelligence operations and tried to break down the wall between intelligence and law enforcement so problematic in not connecting the dots for 9/11. but in the process, thousands, hundred dollars -- hundreds of thousands got more security clearance. and there was a guy in hawaii that had access to astonishing things. he had -- he leak a copy of this fisa court decision in the phone records you know, people here in washington say
that should have -- about 30 or 40 people should have had access to that decision. just that many. >> and the contractors that worked in the government, wouldn't come man the salaries, they get a phenomenal amount of money as contractors. paying a premium for them and we don't even know who they are. there are just thousands of these people. >> look, we've had notorious spy cases from people who lived in the government. pollard worked in the navy, w k walker for the fbi. a lot of notorious spy cases of people who worked for the government. not suggesting it is one or the another. but there is clearly enormous risk when you have hundreds of thousands of top secret clearances. >> snowden, when he was in switzerland, he some objection to something the cia was doing. aren't there periodic polygraphs of these contractors or anything to see if they have a disagreement with the government? >> there should be, and experts
are really trying to figure out why he had so much access. they monitor key strokes, i mean, he worked on a computer in his office, they should have monitored every single thing he was doing with that computer. how did they not know this? >> we'll find out. thank you. >> thank you. news on the irs investigation. why aren't we being shown the reports from the congressional interviews with the cincinnati employees? have tim tebow's prayers been answered? he lost his job with the jets, but why he has a whole new reason for tebowing. i'm phyllis and i have diabetic nerve pain.
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with you. in other words, i think we -- the irs, by the way, we made some recommendations and those recommendations are being adopted by the irs, we've got a new commissioner, acting commissioner, danny werfel doing a great job. in great shape. >> other oversight committee members agree. and do you agree that the investigation is over? that we have all of the information in the irs investigation? >> absolutely not. that is almost laughable. we've actually just gbegun the investigation and we -- as you know, we had some of the top-level washington people in who pointed the finger down and we had to go to the people who they try to tell you just sit around the water cooler and started all of this in cincinnati, cincinnati's irs office. we have deposed some of the cincinnati folks pointed the finger up.
in fact, identifying individuals who really set up this whole process that was so objectionable. >> congressman cumming said a veteran irs manager in cincinnati who described himself as a conservative republican said and he a colleague decided to give conservative groups extra scrutiny? true or false? >> he asked washington what to do with an application. a tea party or conservative group. and you had washington directing, asking for more only cakeses, taking information from those applicants, going after applicants, we are deposing people who were involved again in cincinnati. i have some of the testimony i brought tonight. they point the finger back at
specific people in washington. that's where we're going next, to fin od out who demanded what? >> a copy from congressman cummings to congressman issa, and he says he asked that the committee release publicly the transcripts and make limited redactions to protect individual privacy. if we are going to have transparency and republicans giving obama heck for not having transparency. >> we are releasing some. >> the problem if you just release some, are you subject to the criticism that you are just conveniently releasing stuff that advances you. >> we're in an investigation. conducted by the irs -- i'm sorry, by the inspector general was an audit. this is an investigation. >> but so are your hearings when
you invite the tea party people. that's an investigation. so some stuff you do quite publicly. >> and this should be released. part of it has been released. >> not all. >> as you go forward, and the other thing too, we don't want to totally clip off folks who are going to be -- who are going to be deposed, and who are going to be subpoenaed or brought before the committee in advance. >> but if they are going to lie, they are going to lie. the american people really want to know what's going on. and we release little bits and pieces here. put people some up for witnesses, and some you doan. and i think, and i'll be so bold to speak for the american people, we want all of the information. sooner rather than later. >> we want facts in an orderly fashion and protect certain people who are coming clean and also cooperating with the committee.
>> limited redaction to protect privacy. >> exactly what we are doing. exactly what we are doing at this point. and, again, tipping off people who will be held accountable, who we want to bring in and depose them. so that's basically what you are getting. we have most of the transcripts here that we can provide publicly at this point. >> can i have those? >> glad to give it to you. pages of them. >> i will take what i can have. nice to see you. >> we're not going to stop. we'll continue. >> thank you. coming up. brace yourself. what rate shock is and if you are a target. coming up. may be acceptable on a football field, but not in the courtroom what did an nfl star do that sent him directly to jail. and it was that bad? that's two minutes away.
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elimination of the good health discounts. your honor the m under the mandates of obama care, health care companies have to cover a lot of different things that a lot of young people might not have included in their health care plan. and then you've got obama care also mandating lower discount -- or lower -- lower discounts and lower copays. and so you have got a lot of premium increase associated with -- with obama care. >> and is -- unbelievably. 88%, i can't even think. even 10% is painful, if premiums went up 10%. 88%. this report done by the ohio department of insurance, is that bipartisan? >> that's a bipartisan report by
the ohio insurance department, and i can tell you, greta, this comes on the -- right off the trail of a report that was released by the commerce committee that i serve on in washington, that says health care premiums will go up, all across the country, in some places by as much as 400%. take college student. >> how can -- with so many american people, it was not going to cost anymore? >> you are right. the president said it multiple times on national television, campaign ads and said it right here at ohio state, that health care costs were going to go down by about $2,500 per family. and yet we have seen already that since 2008, the average national health care premium have gone up $3,000 a year. look at what is happening to college students with about
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